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I rarely give references to other sites because of the number of nutcases out there. However, I am going to make an exception here because I believe the author is correct. (yes, I admit I am biased.) Does that mean I do ATG squats? No. I prefer to not risk injury of any type than have gigantic legs. Like any article, take it with a grain of salt and use what is useful.

As to your last post, I will just say reread my answer. I do not need the feel to repeat everything.

http://physicalliving.com/are-partial-reps-better-for-strength-and-hypertrophy-than-full-rom/
 
What I think of ROM can be summarized as:
(1) No, this is not good squatting/leg press/shrug/etc form and will not count in a strength event.
(2) Yes, this load induces the needed tension on the muscle to make it bigger.
 
That is why you have stayed small despite using HST.

You can't give suggestions to a box turtle so I will pass on further suggestions to you.
 
Is this all some kind of joke or just a poor attempt at trolling?

If you are being serious then I'm really confused as to why you don't just spend your time over at BB dot com. You are certainly wasting your time here. Not to mention wasting everyone else's time when they read this ridiculousness.
 
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Old and Grey said:
That is why you have stayed small despite using HST.
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No, actually I stayed at roughly same strength level for almost two years due to various reasons. At that period I may have added 10-20 lbs of strength in the major lifts. Nevertheless HST still allowed my to gradually put some size (fat+muscle) on my arms, chest, thighs. My chest girth was 110cm (43"), biceps 38.2cm (15") at wrist size 16cm (6.3") after my last fat bulk, which you can see in my log and the pictures here. But then on March 14, 2013, I started dieting and will begin working for more muscle only after getting my 6-pack visible.
 
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Anyone who thinks this thread is full of it but still piles on weight doing his rack pulls (DL lockouts) is a wuss.
 
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Anyone who thinks this thread is full of it but still piles on weight doing his rack pulls (DL lockouts) is a wuss.
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You are confused. Rack Pulls are only done to increase the weight that can be pulled in a full dead lift. They are not done in place of dead lifts. If you were suggesting heavy partial squats to help with lockout to increase your full squat, that would be different. But that is not what you are suggesting. You are suggesting that partial squats can replace full squats.

Stop trolling.
 
Quoting Bryan from HST FAQ
14.15. Movement range, or ROM
If you were to take somebody who hasn't trained before (or for a long time) and only have them
do partial pull-ups, they would experience some growth in their lats.

However, they would experience better results if they started with full range contractions, and
then, if necessary finished with partials after having increased the weight to where only partials
were possible.
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Which is exactly what I've been doing: full ROM training until the load is high enough to warrant partials (post 5RM).
 
You quoted 1/2 of an answer to suit your dumb ass needs. The next three paragraphs in the same response say:



"Even then however, I would suggest they add rows, making sure to pull the elbows all the way behind them, in order to hit the rear delts effectively.

So yes, you can do more weight and reps doing partials, but full range, weighted, eccentric pullups or chins by stepping off a bench or chair (or pushing yourself up with your legs) would be MUCH MUCH more effective.

But just doing partials for the sake of doing partials would not provide better results than fullrange progressively loaded reps."

Wiggle out of that one Turtle.
 
Quoting Bryan again, from a post on this board:
http://thinkmuscle.com/forum/showth...-weight-when-starting-HST&p=211321#post211321
It is important to focus on the muscle rather than the exercises. It is the muscle we want to grow, caring little for the execution of the exercises themselves. That is one difference between hypertrophy-specific training and strength-specific training. While strength training, the successful completion of each rep is the important thing. Form and numbers are all important. With HST, all we care about is if we created the right kind of stress/trauma inside the tissue. If that means barely moving through a full range of motion, or even missing the rep count all together, that’s ok.
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I could never have said this better :)
 
So what you are saying is that Bryan talks out of both sides of his mouth, eh? If so, please stop quoting him, especially out of context to your original point.
 
Old and Grey said:
You quoted 1/2 of an answer to suit your dumb ass needs. The next three paragraphs in the same response say:



"Even then however, I would suggest they add rows, making sure to pull the elbows all the way behind them, in order to hit the rear delts effectively.

So yes, you can do more weight and reps doing partials, but full range, weighted, eccentric pullups or chins by stepping off a bench or chair (or pushing yourself up with your legs) would be MUCH MUCH more effective.

But just doing partials for the sake of doing partials would not provide better results than fullrange progressively loaded reps."

Wiggle out of that one Turtle.
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Those parts have nothing to do with the relevance of partial chins to hit the lats. There are other exercises for the rear delts, if need be. Do you see the word eccentric in that part you quoted? There's no way I can do eccentric leg presses alone (except lifting with two legs, lowering with one, which is clumsy), hence the usage of a bit of partials. If used smartly, after having reached your 5RM and going past that, using a bit of partials keeps the progress going.

Also read Bryan's forum post and sit your old and grey self down.
 
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If you are concerned with tendon and ligament health then definitely use a full range of motion with lighter weights while keeping your back in its correct position.

The way I interpreted Bryan's previous quote that you posted you would perform a full range
of motion for the first 1 or 2 sets then if you want to do the partials for the last set as a finishing move you can.
 
I would say quote #132 does mean moving through a full range of motion.

Using the word 'barely' to mean that it is very very difficult to move through a full range of motion but still manageable.
 
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What's wrong with my kneecaps?
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The angle you're creating and stopping at,given the load vector, is extremely bad for your kneecaps, in terms of acute stress. That's just physics. It's not an 'exercise' statement, it's a physics statement.

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A bit lower than normal ROM when working past my full ROM 5RM - yup, in quite a few of them. In triceps extensions, shrugs, leg curls. But not for bench presses.
It's a matter of progressive load. As Bryan said, even if the load is barely moving, the muscle gets the loading. And I sure as hell feel it does.
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Bryan does not advocate higher-load partial ROMs over lower-load full ROMs the way you think he does.

HST_Rihad said:
What I think of ROM can be summarized as:
(1) No, this is not good squatting/leg press/shrug/etc form and will not count in a strength event.
(2) Yes, this load induces the needed tension on the muscle to make it bigger.
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Your lack of ROM means the connective tissue is still bearing too much of the load. You aren't giving the muscle enough of a chance to stretch. That's not causing microdamage the way it would be at greater ROM with slightly reduced load.

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Anyone who thinks this thread is full of it but still piles on weight doing his rack pulls (DL lockouts) is a wuss.
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Rack Pulls are for back development, specifically traps (all heads) and erectors (they run from base of back at the pelvis, all the way up to your neck, you know).

Try doing them and you'll absolutely understand the difference, compared to a deadlifts.

Furthermore, who on here does that? I haven't seen a log that selects Rack Pulls exclusively over deads.

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You are confused. Rack Pulls are only done to increase the weight that can be pulled in a full dead lift. They are not done in place of dead lifts. If you were suggesting heavy partial squats to help with lockout to increase your full squat, that would be different. But that is not what you are suggesting. You are suggesting that partial squats can replace full squats.

Stop trolling.
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He won't. He's incapable of admitting he's mistaken. It isn't going to stop. Maybe now it's continuing (again) outside his log, Totez will ban him.

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Tell that to the guy doing 220kg/485lbs (more than 2.5 times his BW) for 1/4 ROM who was lean and had really developed legs, and no, he didn't look like he was all juiced up.
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You're still making the assumption of causation. But then your understanding of logic, causality and science method has been displayed to be quite poor. No, that's not a troll, just an observation of your skill level on these boards.


Using the word 'barely' to mean that it is very very difficult to move through a full range of motion but still manageable.
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You definitely misunderstood Bryan's language here. That's probably due to English being your 3rd language or 4th (can't recall which). No shame there, but it might help.
 
As long as he is keeping this crap in his own threads, he won't be banned just yet. I would simply suggest to anyone who dislikes his conversational or debate style to avoid his threads. I will say, however, that if he continues to hijack other people's threads to turn it into his own debate about something irrelevant or stupid, as he has done in the past, then he could be facing some sort of action in the future. For now though, as I said, simply avoid his threads that he has started if you do not want to debate him on these things. The main concern I have at this point is that newbies might come into his threads and read the stuff he writes and his misinterpretations of Bryan's posts and possibly do something wrong with their own routines.
 
Totentanz said:
The main concern I have at this point is that newbies might come into his threads and read the stuff he writes and his misinterpretations of Bryan's posts and possibly do something wrong with their own routines.
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That's my biggest objection to many of his posts.

It isn't difficult to set-up a forum where Brad Pilon, misquoted Bryan & Blade and partial, sub-5RM loads etc could be a string of feature-creatures.

This site is not the place.
 
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