What do you guys think is better

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(Aaron_F @ Feb. 13 2007,01:23)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(stevejones @ Feb. 13 2007,18:09)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Also, ronnie coleman is too small to be taken seriously...shaquille oneal outweighs him easily</div>
Wow, I didnt know size was solely decided by weight? or do you live in a strange meathead world?  oh and by the way, size has nothing to do with muscularity either (and I never said muscular size), so posting pictures of lee priest are not much use, but nice use of posting a picture of somebody who is a darn site heaver than zane ever was(comp trim, offseason whatever), while being 5&quot; shorter, making him a whole lot bigger.  Lee was bigger as a teen lifter in Aussie.

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whats shaq's weight?  325

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you're just too small to be taken seriously, sorry
 
Is it just me? or does stevejones' avatar appear to have &quot;man boobs&quot; but on his back
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This has been the worst HST thread I'v ever read.

Joe, I really respect your accomplishments.

I really, really respect the advice of Dan and Bryan, I outweight them. I'm glad we have consensus that you cant judge a book solely by its cover.

We just all have to focus on being the best we can be, by our own standards.

Peace
 
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(Old and Grey @ Feb. 12 2007,18:33)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Dan, not to ruin an entertaining thread, but I wasn't aware that you took a half year off from training. I am stunned! Why was that? Injury? Boredom? Starting a new business? Visiting as many houses off ill repute as you can before your wienie shrinks?    
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Mostly business but it's a long boring story and not nearly as entertaining as this thread.
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But, I never stopped lifting completely it's just my frequency was very sporadic.
 
IMO - Both Ronnie and Jay suck in defenition and proprotion compared to good old Zane.

All they have is a whole lota size
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(Morgoth the Dark Enemy @ Feb. 13 2007,09:42)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Proportion and overall look?Yes. Definition as in paper-skin?No.</div>
I am not familiar with the term &quot;paper skin.&quot; What does that mean? Thin looking skin? Transparent?
 
I think paper-skin was a term that was used a lot in relation to Dorian`s extreme definition...something along the lines of his skin was like a thin sheet of paper showing every detail underneath. At least that`s where I encountered it, don`t know if it was used before that.

What I meant is that the extremely low BF %ages that today`s pro`s achieve for a contest, combined with their huge ammount of mass results into a much better &quot;definition&quot; than was apparent in Zane`s time.
 
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(the_dark_master @ Feb. 13 2007,08:22)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Is it just me? or does stevejones' avatar appear to have &quot;man boobs&quot; but on his back
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they're silicone implants
 
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(Lol @ Feb. 13 2007,11:52)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">
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Can you imagine owning an &quot;all you can eat&quot; buffet joint. Everything is normal and then suddenly a big bus pulls up and 20 powerlifters pile into your restaurant looking like these guys.....BANKRUPT!
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(Joe.Muscle @ Feb. 13 2007,17:23)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Well I always wanted to be remembered for something!

However now its going to be for the DUMBEST HST THREAD EVER!
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its not the dumbest thread ever....it was just taken over by a couple guys pissing on each others shoes.

neither one is going to stop pissing......or move their feet.

dumbest hijack ever.
 
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(bluejacket @ Feb. 13 2007,18:11)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(Joe.Muscle @ Feb. 13 2007,17:23)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Well I always wanted to be remembered for something!

However now its going to be for the DUMBEST HST THREAD EVER!
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its not the dumbest thread ever....it was just taken over by a couple guys pissing on each others shoes.

neither one is going to stop pissing......or move their feet.

dumbest hijack ever.</div>
And they told me it was raining!
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Lol. You have now shown us irrefutable proof! There is nothling left to piss and moan about? You have ruined my day!
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I guess I will just have to go kick one of the dogs to cheer myself up.
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(Old and Grey @ Feb. 14 2007,11:13)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">I guess I will just have to go kick one of the dogs to cheer myself up.    
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Instead of kicking a dog, kick a cat....any cat....even if it isn't your cat!

I'm just kidding of course although I would kick a cat before I would ever kick a dog.  
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Didn't read the article but fromthe pic it looks like Lyle is struggling with less than 100kgs?
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I think that Siff, Verkohansky, Zatsiorski et co. would also struggle DLing...that`s not quite the point, IMHO. Lyle, just like umm...just about anyone has good and bad parts. His stuff is very good, from nutrition to training, but it`s not gospel:read it, understand it, know it, and choose for yourself.

The better/worse is a bit meaningless in this context, as I think both &quot;routines&quot; are basically the result of applying the same basic principles, with only mild differences as a result of each author`s interpretation. Read what Lyle thinks about HST and you`ll see that aside from some (minor, IMO) aspects related to SD and the higher rep ranges, he`s in complete agreement.

Which one is best?The one that keeps you hammering at it with enthusiasm:)
 
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