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the hardest part was when this guy puts his protein shaker on the seated row machine, his notebook on the pulldown machine to reserve them both, and then left to go do some tricep kickbacks. I had clearly been waiting to use the pull down machine and I really wanted to just go up there and kick that little 2lb dumb bell out of his hands. I managed to restrain myself.
 
lol, I never accept if people try to reserve several exercises at once, I usually just put their stuff on the floor from whatever I need to use if they aren't using it.
But yeah, they do a lot of weird sh!t those douchebags.
 
Ulfhednin said:
lol, I never accept if people try to reserve several exercises at once, I usually just put their stuff on the floor from whatever I need to use if they aren't using it.
But yeah, they do a lot of weird sh!t those douchebags.
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Yeah, same here. If you walk away from a machine, and start using another, I move your stuff...
 
Downside... I didn't even work legs and they were sore as hell all day at work, like I had done heavy squats.

I got a migraine around 1 pm or so, which sucks. I don't get them too often but when I do, they piss me off, make me feel nausea and dizziness. Messed up my diet a bit to the point where I've only gotten 200 grams of protein in so far and going into dinner behind the eight ball a bit.

I'm going to continue with the morning workouts. Weird, because when I was younger and first tried these out, my strength was crap in the morning but now, once I get warmed up, the weights fly up. Today I only warmed up with 135 for 10 on incline bench and went right into 3 sets of 5 with 245 with no issues at all.
 
Re migraines: my girlfriend suffers from them from time to time. Knocks her out almost. I read somewhere that magnesium can help. She now takes about 300mg every day and she hasnt suffered an attack since she started. Her doctor claims that magnesium wont help but she begs to differ.
 
Yeah, I already take magnesium and it doesn't help. I suppose if one were deficient in it, it might make a difference. I occasionally get some pretty bad headaches triggered from nootropic usage if I don't watch my choline levels but these kinds of migraines are different, nothing makes them feel better.
 
Mornings are way better for me too. I also hated mornings most of my life. But with kids it's the only time of the day I am fresh!

Hope you fell better.
 
I've been experimenting with them for a little over a year.

They do cut the learning curve back quite a bit if you dose properly and memory retention of things you learn while on is still excellent once you come off. I already learn easily, since I have an IQ of 154, but the racetam class of drugs definitely have a noticeable effect for me. I normally take 10 grams of piracetam in the morning on days when I know I'm going to need to be at the top of my mental game. Piracetam has a profound effect on my interpersonal skills as well as raw processing speed. The cool thing is that I did a heavy run of 8 grams dosed twice during the day (once in the morning, once in the evening) and focused heavily on my people skills during that time to see if the improvement would become permanent. It worked. It really shines when you preload for a day prior to needing to do a bunch of research. I like to take 10-15 grams in the morning and again in the evening prior to any time I need to absorb a lot of information in a short period, then take another 10 grams that morning and study your ass off. Sleep on it that night and I promise you, all your dreams will be about what you were studying. The next day, even if you don't dose piracetam that day, recall of the information should be excellent.

I also like aniracetam but it seems to act differently for me than piracetam. Creativity, most especially artistic creativity, is enhanced while on aniractem. If I take 3 grams or so of aniracetam a half hour before I sit down to work on a piece or do some writing, the effects are profound. If I take it close to bed time, I notice a lot more lucid dreaming events than normal. I've always had occasional lucid dreams but they become quite frequent if I take aniracetam before bedtime every night.

Choline is simply to reduce headaches while on piracetam. Presumably, piracetam puts a greater demand on the brain for choline and that is the result of the headaches. I take about a gram of choline for every 2 or 3 grams of piracetam and that typically keeps headaches away. Fish oil is an important one to be taking while on aniracetam also.
 
Totentanz said:
I've been experimenting with them for a little over a year.

They do cut the learning curve back quite a bit if you dose properly and memory retention of things you learn while on is still excellent once you come off. I already learn easily, since I have an IQ of 154, but the racetam class of drugs definitely have a noticeable effect for me. I normally take 10 grams of piracetam in the morning on days when I know I'm going to need to be at the top of my mental game. Piracetam has a profound effect on my interpersonal skills as well as raw processing speed. The cool thing is that I did a heavy run of 8 grams dosed twice during the day (once in the morning, once in the evening) and focused heavily on my people skills during that time to see if the improvement would become permanent. It worked. It really shines when you preload for a day prior to needing to do a bunch of research. I like to take 10-15 grams in the morning and again in the evening prior to any time I need to absorb a lot of information in a short period, then take another 10 grams that morning and study your ass off. Sleep on it that night and I promise you, all your dreams will be about what you were studying. The next day, even if you don't dose piracetam that day, recall of the information should be excellent.

I also like aniracetam but it seems to act differently for me than piracetam. Creativity, most especially artistic creativity, is enhanced while on aniractem. If I take 3 grams or so of aniracetam a half hour before I sit down to work on a piece or do some writing, the effects are profound. If I take it close to bed time, I notice a lot more lucid dreaming events than normal. I've always had occasional lucid dreams but they become quite frequent if I take aniracetam before bedtime every night.

Choline is simply to reduce headaches while on piracetam. Presumably, piracetam puts a greater demand on the brain for choline and that is the result of the headaches. I take about a gram of choline for every 2 or 3 grams of piracetam and that typically keeps headaches away. Fish oil is an important one to be taking while on aniracetam also.
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Sounds amazing. Is it something you can be on permanently, or is it aimed as a short term aid for improved learning, such as cramming before a test?

One thing I'm always a bit dubious about when messing with the brain, are there any side effects? If coming off after a period of use, will a person have any "withdrawals", or does the enhanced brain function, such as memory, remain?
 
I've used it for a few months straight then came off and suffered no withdrawals or anything. The only sides are headaches if you don't s supplement with choline. It's worth noting that some people are nonresponders (sucks for them) and supposedly some don't tolerate it well. I buy the powder in bulk from hard rhino, elsewhere can get expensive.

It's not like the movie limitless though. And it seems to take time to get up to full efficiency with Piracetam.
 
Totentanz said:
I've been experimenting with them for a little over a year.

They do cut the learning curve back quite a bit if you dose properly and memory retention of things you learn while on is still excellent once you come off. I already learn easily, since I have an IQ of 154, but the racetam class of drugs definitely have a noticeable effect for me. I normally take 10 grams of piracetam in the morning on days when I know I'm going to need to be at the top of my mental game. Piracetam has a profound effect on my interpersonal skills as well as raw processing speed. The cool thing is that I did a heavy run of 8 grams dosed twice during the day (once in the morning, once in the evening) and focused heavily on my people skills during that time to see if the improvement would become permanent. It worked. It really shines when you preload for a day prior to needing to do a bunch of research. I like to take 10-15 grams in the morning and again in the evening prior to any time I need to absorb a lot of information in a short period, then take another 10 grams that morning and study your ass off. Sleep on it that night and I promise you, all your dreams will be about what you were studying. The next day, even if you don't dose piracetam that day, recall of the information should be excellent.

I also like aniracetam but it seems to act differently for me than piracetam. Creativity, most especially artistic creativity, is enhanced while on aniractem. If I take 3 grams or so of aniracetam a half hour before I sit down to work on a piece or do some writing, the effects are profound. If I take it close to bed time, I notice a lot more lucid dreaming events than normal. I've always had occasional lucid dreams but they become quite frequent if I take aniracetam before bedtime every night.

Choline is simply to reduce headaches while on piracetam. Presumably, piracetam puts a greater demand on the brain for choline and that is the result of the headaches. I take about a gram of choline for every 2 or 3 grams of piracetam and that typically keeps headaches away. Fish oil is an important one to be taking while on aniracetam also.
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Couple of quick qn's:

-Links?

-Why not use it constantly?

-Choline supplementing the piracetam is common practice, best practice?
 
I pretty much do use it constantly now. I don't take choline daily though. Raw choline powder is disgusting and capping it is a pain so I only take it western I start getting headaches. You can get choline through diet, which I get a decent amount. And as I said, fish oil helps too.
 
HST_Rihad said:
I wouldn't bet that in long term this sh*t wouldn't bite you back, man. Careful with that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropic#Hazards
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I have to agree with Rihad on this one. Not only do I have a healthy scepsis to drugs (that are suppose to do wonders) due to unknown side-effects since there simply is not enough data for it, but drugs that changes your brain...
And on top of it all the so-called experienced 10 month researcher refered to by tryingtologin have been diagnosed ADHD (and using medication for it) and speaks of using amphetamine, and side effects he had like shakes, headaches and uncontrolled upper lip twitching.
Call me a sceptic but... meh
I'm not denying it might work though.
 
Being skeptical is one thing, but being a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut is another. Piracetam is not a supplement, it is a drug. In the article that you link, Rihad, it specifically states that the racetams are widely considered safe. I'm not a moron and I practice relatively responsible self-experimentation. I get regular physicals and bloodwork done to monitor everything I can reasonably monitor. I don't experiment with anything without doing significant research on it first. My decision to experiment with the racetams was motivated by the fact that since I've hit 30, I've noticed a decline in processing speed and other factors which has been bothering me since I'm accustomed to understanding new concepts rapidly and process large amounts of data with relative ease, so I wanted something to get me back up to where I was in my early 20s. This has gotten be back to that level and somewhat beyond it. Obviously I did a lot of reading before I settled on the racetams as my choice of nootropic to use.
 
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