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Go easy on him champ, he's busy building muscle and losing fat simultaneously. It's hard work beating up physics.



Do you find your migraines are due to piracetam then? Or frequency is increased in correlation with taking it?

I've started to notice some of the mental acumen/processing observations you just listed and this is highly attractive to me. F**kin' aging ...
 
There seems to be zero connection between my nootropic usage and my migraines. I get migraines once in a while, and at the same frequency now as I got them before I started using this stuff.

Not sure the availability over there. I order from hardrhino.com and get 500 grams of piracetam at a time, I also picked up a big bag of choline a while back. No idea if they ship overseas or what the cost of shipping would be. If you buy the precapped piracetam, it becomes expensive as hell per gram. I just measure out how many grams of powder I want into a cup, mix with some juice and chug it. Tastes like crap but it's cheaper. I would start with that if you want to experiment. A good starting point is 5 grams twice a day. Most people start out way too light and get piss poor results, then think it doesn't work. I don't get real noticeable results with anything less than 10 grams. I've not yet experimented with dosages greater than a combined total of 25 grams a day. Yet.

Aniracetam is more expensive and although it is supposed to be more potent, seems to work differently for me, so I would not recommend it for general purposes. As I stated before, this one seems to simply enhance creativity and also makes me sleep a little better. I have found that it seemed to reduce muscle cramps/spasms while sleeping, and after some reading it seems that this is one of the purported effects of aniracetam.
 
Totentanz said:
Yeah, I already take magnesium and it doesn't help. I suppose if one were deficient in it, it might make a difference. I occasionally get some pretty bad headaches triggered from nootropic usage if I don't watch my choline levels but these kinds of migraines are different, nothing makes them feel better.
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Yeh my bad, mixed the two up.

How do the nootropics tend to trigger headaches? Dosage or dosing related?
 
It's hard to describe the piracetam headaches, they feel different than migraines or sinus headaches. I can tell when it is a headache from lack of choline just through experience. But yeah it's from the higher doses of piracetam, supposedly if you dose the choline too high in conjunction with the piracetam, that can also trigger headaches. I'm not really sure about that, as I've never experienced it as far as I know. Reports online seem to vary a bit. Some people have to take choline constantly, some only occasionally. Supposedly from acetylcholine depletion that "burns out" the receptors. I am not aware of any actual research into this but it seems to be widely accepted as fast.
 
Totentanz said:
Being skeptical is one thing, but being a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut is another... I'm not a moron and I practice relatively responsible self-experimentation
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Whoa! I think that's a bit harsh considering I've not seen any real scientific documentation of effects or long term effects from taking these drugs, only "uneducated" (in the field of biochemistry) nootropic enthusiasts testing out stuff based on short term reactions from the brain/body.
I never meant to imply you were a moron for testing this stuff out, just be careful man - it's your brain your experimenting with. Other than that - the effects sounds awesome.
Have to say it though; if it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is ;) I'll stick with my current demented state for now, having noticed the same reduction of processing power as you described.
 
Totentanz said:
Being skeptical is one thing, but being a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut is another. Piracetam is not a supplement, it is a drug. In the article that you link, Rihad, it specifically states that the racetams are widely considered safe. I'm not a moron and I practice relatively responsible self-experimentation. I get regular physicals and bloodwork done to monitor everything I can reasonably monitor. I don't experiment with anything without doing significant research on it first. My decision to experiment with the racetams was motivated by the fact that since I've hit 30, I've noticed a decline in processing speed and other factors which has been bothering me since I'm accustomed to understanding new concepts rapidly and process large amounts of data with relative ease, so I wanted something to get me back up to where I was in my early 20s. This has gotten be back to that level and somewhat beyond it. Obviously I did a lot of reading before I settled on the racetams as my choice of nootropic to use.
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HST_Rihad said:
I wouldn't bet that in long term this sh*t wouldn't bite you back, man. Careful with that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nootropic#Hazards
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I believe he's responding to HST_Rihad. The "tin foil hat" remark is a reference to Rihad's penchant for asserting there's conspiracies in the professional sports/athletics fields and blanket use of PEDs, the supplement industry pricing intentionally not manufacturing cheap soy protein and probably due to frustration regarding his (Rihad's) attempts to frame Totentanz as an arguer against Borge (myo-reps) and Martin (leangains) - Totentanz was not amused.
 
Ulfhednin said:
Whoa! I think that's a bit harsh considering I've not seen any real scientific documentation of effects or long term effects from taking these drugs, only "uneducated" (in the field of biochemistry) nootropic enthusiasts testing out stuff based on short term reactions from the brain/body.
I never meant to imply you were a moron for testing this stuff out, just be careful man - it's your brain your experimenting with. Other than that - the effects sounds awesome.
Have to say it though; if it sounds too good to be true, it most likely is ;) I'll stick with my current demented state for now, having noticed the same reduction of processing power as you described.
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For what it is worth, I actually am educated in the field of biochemistry. It was my major before I dropped out of college to have tons of kids and work in the management field for the rest of my life.

Also, there indeed are some things that aren't too good to be true, just most of them are illegal.
 
I never tried to frame anyone anywhere, even if you get that impression, sorry. As to nootropics intake and your purported educatedness in the area, I'd still be careful, Totentanz, as intricate as the current state of medicine and current knowledge of how our body works is, people spend their entire lives specializing in one specific area until they can safely be deemed as knowledgeable or trustworthy. It's your life, it's your brain, do whatever you feel like doing, but in my opinion, until long term real world use has shown no sign of late triggering adverse effects of some sort (for example chronic creatine intake has shown to be probably safe), I'd be veery careful.
 
AlexAustralia said:
I believe he's responding to HST_Rihad. The "tin foil hat" remark is a reference to Rihad's penchant for asserting there's conspiracies in the professional sports/athletics fields and blanket use of PEDs, the supplement industry pricing intentionally not manufacturing cheap soy protein and probably due to frustration regarding his (Rihad's) attempts to frame Totentanz as an arguer against Borge (myo-reps) and Martin (leangains) - Totentanz was not amused.
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Aha! I usually don't see myself in the tin foil hat wearing group so it was a little surprising :D

Totentanz said:
For what it is worth, I actually am educated in the field of biochemistry. It was my major before I dropped out of college to have tons of kids and work in the management field for the rest of my life.
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LOL! I have three small girls myself (2,4 and 5 y) so I know the feeling well, allthough for all I know you're even crazier than me and have even more gremlins.
 
How do you guys measure your "processing speed"? Some kinds of IQ time trials available all over the Internet? You know, the "pick missing picture" stuff. Or is it your working capacity of how quickly you grasp an idea?
 
Bodyweight was up to 250. Got sick over the weekend, puking and diarrhea. Awesome. Food poisoning maybe? I don't know. It was the night after an intense workout too, so pretty sure I'm a little depleted. Back down to 240 now. I'm sure with a workout or two, I'll bounce back up, especially once I start eating again.
 
Ulfhednin said:
Aha! I usually don't see myself in the tin foil hat wearing group so it was a little surprising :D

LOL! I have three small girls myself (2,4 and 5 y) so I know the feeling well, allthough for all I know you're even crazier than me and have even more gremlins.
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I actually have four so far. Two boys, two girls. Pretty awesome kids. Probably going to have a few more.
 
I figure that the more intelligent people need to reproduce a lot to counteract all the idiots procreating rapidly. Don't want idiocracy to happen. Besides, I clearly have decent genes. My oldest two children have six packs and are looking like they will be great sprinters in high school even though neither one has even hit puberty yet and my seven year old girl is unsually strong. She enjoys lifting large logs that are bigger than she is and throwing them for attention and praise.
 
There's a ton of posts here I've missed so I'll have to take some time to read over them. Sorry to hear you've had some food poisoning too. It really does suck. I guess when you have to eat as much as you do, the chance of something bad going down the hatch is raised considerably. One of life's little hazards.

Get that girl of yours into O-lifting. She'll could lifting for the USA at the Olympics in 7 years!

 
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