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The cycle I proposed is basically going to stay the same with a few changes. After talking with mikey in the "number of sets" thread, I've become more certain that my plan is a good one. Apparently the two of us have been thinking along similar lines about where the research is taking us in the future. I also think what we were discussing in that thread could become the updated version of HST. HST 2.0 if you will. Obviously any good training method that is scientifically based must evolve over time in order to keep up with the current understandings based on the available research.
So after bouncing ideas back on forth on that thread, I've refined my proposed cycle. I'm going to go ahead and still include the negatives but the volume will change slightly. I was originally planning to do standard 15/10/5 and try to keep volume relatively constant with a slight decrease over the cycle. I started thinking about trying something a little different and after reading mikey's input on that thread, I am now definitely doing it a little different. I'll be doing 12s and 8s instead of 15s and 10s, and I will keep volume right around 25-30 reps for upper body and 25-30 reps per lift for lower body. I will allow volume to sort of autoregulate itself depending on how I feel that day. I won't use actual sets of course, just rep targets. Each block will be three weeks long and after the 8s, I will do a mix of negatives using 3 RM loads and max-stim for the other lifts using 5 RM loads, as I originally proposed. If the negatives don't work out for me or prove to be too difficult to manage, then for the second cycle, I will switch to a 5 RM range strength-focused block of 2-4 weeks. Hopefully each cycle will end up around 8-12 weeks in length.

I also am going to test out mikey's idea of a single low volume, heavy lifting session in the middle of SD after my first cycle. I plan to run at least three total cycles, making whatever adjustments I need to between each cycle. Hopefully by the time that February or March of 2014 comes around, I'll have a finalized, well tested cycle plan. Of course I will keep up to date on here about how it is going and etc, and input all along the way will be welcome.

Ideally, the end result will be that I will have enough material at the end that I can write up another book that will be for intermediate lifters and above, with the newer version of HST. I have basically decided against a simple revision of the other book I wrote, that one can remain as a basic HST primer. This new one will be more of an updated version of HST and hopefully with more expansion on the scientific side of things, rather than keeping it as dumbed down as I could like I did with the first ebook. Obviously a certain forum member here is going to get some credit on the whole thing, since he really helped with solidifying my plan and it was great to see that I wasn't the only one thinking about this kind of overhaul to HST. However, talking is all well and good, but now I have to test it out. We will see if the results are what I hope they will be. Given that I am fairly close to my genetic limits already, I think that should be an even greater validation of the cycle if I do make some great gains over the course of all three cycles.

The only downside is that I will become a fat **** again by the time winter here is over... I'm guessing I'll end up hitting 260 - 270 lbs if I really push the calories.
 
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I really appreciate you writing up that book, as well as all your posts on the forum and your private message info that you helped me with for my bulking cycle. Your no-nonsense approach to diet is critical to success, and your practical explanation of training is very helpful also.

Good luck on your next cycle. You can probably squeeze out a little more growth, though I think you are very close to maxed out on how much lean mass you can carry without chemical assistance. of course, with a little "help", you could probably gain a bunch more, not that I am recommending any such thing. I personally will probably never go that route due to legal and financial restrictions.

Either way I'd be very interested in how HST 2.0 goes for you, and most definitely will be trying it myself soon.
 
I actually think it's way more interesting and rewarding to see how far hypertrophy can be pushed without the aid of chemical assistance. It gets much more difficult to make gains once you are at Totentanz's stage in the game, so any variations on the original HST theme that are demonstrably able to drive more growth when a person is close to their predicted max size will be interesting to a lot of folks here.

One of the biggest problems is trying to keep life under control enough to get through several uninterrupted cycles. All the very best with that, Tot'z.
 
I actually think it's way more interesting and rewarding to see how far hypertrophy can be pushed without the aid of chemical assistance. It gets much more difficult to make gains once you are at Totentanz's stage in the game, so any variations on the original HST theme that are demonstrably able to drive more growth when a person is close to their predicted max size will be interesting to a lot of folks here. One of the biggest problems is trying to keep life under control enough to get through several uninterrupted cycles. All the very best with that, Tot'z.
I totally agree on all points.
Especially the last one! I wish I could train and diet without the interruptions of injuries, work scheduling conflicts, family scheduling conflicts and other life interruptions. But alas, such IS life.
 
Yes, that is my main concern... seems like almost every winter, something comes up that screws up my plans. If I can get through three cycles without something happening, I will be extremely happy.

Another struggle for me at this point is eating enough. I really struggle to add on more weight once I get over 240 lbs and I still haven't managed to really exceed 250. I'm hoping this time around will be different.

Might be worth noting that I will be starting up creatine soon.
 
I think you're a lot further from your genetic limits than you do.

My only concern w/future mass gains is the 'time' you have left, before natural hormone levels subvert you.

Sounds like fun, non-stop heavy lifting always is.
 
I think you're a lot further from your genetic limits than you do.

My only concern w/future mass gains is the 'time' you have left, before natural hormone levels subvert you.

Sounds like fun, non-stop heavy lifting always is.
But it's not a question of guesswork is it? We know from a database of measurements taken from top natural bb'ers what has been possible to achieve by those with good/great genetics for mass building. Surpassing what has been achieved naturally to date is obviously a possibility but it is unlikely unless you also happen to have better-than-average genetics.
 
Casey Butt's calculator seems to think I can get to a lean 220-230. After my last cut, I ended up a lean 215 so I should be able to add on another ten lbs or so. Obviously if I grow fatter, I can add more lean mass than that but cutting back down would cause me to lose whatever excess I had.

But I'm hoping on being able to be a lean 230 the end of august 2014. We will see.
 
But it's not a question of guesswork is it? We know from a database of measurements taken from top natural bb'ers what has been possible to achieve by those with good/great genetics for mass building. Surpassing what has been achieved naturally to date is obviously a possibility but it is unlikely unless you also happen to have better-than-average genetics.

That assumes that their methodology was optimal, or near to it.

And the 'better than average', 'average', 'worse than average' genetics tags we throw around are thrown all too loosely.

Totez had 'worse than average' genetics until he didn't ;)
 
But it's not a question of guesswork is it? We know from a database of measurements taken from top natural bb'ers what has been possible to achieve by those with good/great genetics for mass building. Surpassing what has been achieved naturally to date is obviously a possibility but it is unlikely unless you also happen to have better-than-average genetics.

That assumes that their methodology was optimal, or near to it.

And the 'better than average', 'average', 'worse than average' genetics tags we throw around are thrown all too loosely.

Totez had 'worse than average' genetics until he didn't ;)
 
That assumes that their methodology was optimal, or near to it.

And the 'better than average', 'average', 'worse than average' genetics tags we throw around are thrown all too loosely.

Totez had 'worse than average' genetics until he didn't ;)

I suspect what is most likely is not that any training methodology used was optimal, but that the starting point of the bb'ers with the greatest potential for muscular growth (eg. number of muscle fibres in each muscle was higher than average) was matched by a naturally high level of test in their bodies. Something made them better-than-average responders to less-than-optimal training.

Anecdotally, I knew a guy at school who did a fair amount of leg training on the leg-press and leg-curl stations of one of the very early multi-gyms that we all used. He was a muscular lad to begin with, but over the course of a year his legs exploded in size. All the first-fifteen had access to the same leg-press and all trained hard on it but no one else got results like he did. Was his training optimal? I doubt that, but he evidently did a lot of the right things to get his body to respond in the way it did. If I ever achieve the degree of leg muscularity that he achieved, I'll be a happy bunny.
 
Alright, well accepting that perhaps I have better than average genetics, which is entirely possible, I guess, I still shouldn't be able to surpass Casey Butt's calculator that is based on the elite natural bodybuilders. Anyway, started my new cycle today. Yes, it is a Friday, but I moved on Weds and was itching to get back in the gym. This was also my first session at my new gym, which I have to say, I enjoy a lot more than the last place. It is a little dark, I prefer to lift in a brightly lit area, but they have better equipment and so far, no douchebags at the gym. Everyone was very respectful. The gym staff didn't bug me about hiring a personal trainer, they just said "you obviously know what you're doing, so we'll leave you alone. Any questions, just ask."

I started relatively light in order to familiarize myself with all the equipment.

30 reps on everything. I'll possibly drop down to 25 when I get to the second half of the 8s block, but for now I'm sticking with 30 for all lifts.

Flat Bench: 135x5, 185x12,12,6
Seated Rows: 100x8, 160x12,12,6 ->this seated row machine was significantly easier than the one at the old gym, I'm not going to up the weight to compensate though, just going to progress from here.
Close grip bench: 135x12,12,6
Pulldown: 100x8, 140x12,12,6
Seated BB Shoulder Press: 100x12,12,6
BB Curl: 55x12,12,6

All lifts were very easy. I got a massive pump which was actually quite painful. Arms were pumped to 18 inches after the session, which was cool since they had deflated down to 17s when I measured them on Sunday. Wish they would stay that way.
 
Well, I'm sort of clustering... yet sorta doing 12s. 3 weeks of 12 rep range, but I don't want to push beyond 12 reps because I'm not aiming to get too much fatigue, yet I want 30 reps total, so I'm just doing two sets then a third set of 6 tacked on the end.
 
My oldest son is hitting puberty, according to the doctor. I guess that explains the mustache I've been having to force him to shave lately. He's only 12 so I'm a bit surprised as I was a late bloomer. But anyway, he wants to be strong just like his dad and I of course want to encourage this. The problem is that he is not very disciplined about things like lifting and diet, and he does not know how to push himself at all. I'm not exactly sure how to teach these values as I was always very willful as a child, so if I set my mind to something, I did it. I didn't really have to learn to push myself.

I'm trying to teach him the basics of calorie counting and label reading as well. Luckily he is a bright kid, so he picks stuff up fast. He's just kind of lazy. So far I've been encouraging him to do a lot of bodyweight exercises, trying to make him do more physical tasks around the house with me, etc. Getting him into the gym right now I don't think is something that is possible, as I have to fit my gym schedule around my work schedule. I have considered putting him in some sort of martial arts classes since they do some physical conditioning but he seems reluctant.

Anyway, I guess I just don't really know how to teach discipline and willpower. Any tips?
 
Im doing your 4 day split

3 weeks 15s (80/90/100%)
3 weeks10s (same)
2 weeks 5s (same)
2 weeks negs alt dead/squat


How many sets wd you recommend for. 15s/10s/5s?

cheers
 
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