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(Lol @ May 27 2008,9:40)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">At the end of the day, if Martin really is after a greater understanding of nutrition he will take on board all the comments and replies made here (and elsewhere) and reflect on what has been said. Sadly, he does come across as someone who thinks rather highly of his own opinions and who has 'it' all figured out.
We all formulate opinions based on accumulated knowledge; often our knowledge is incomplete and we need to alter our opinions and ideas as we take on board new information. I, for one, have learnt a great deal from this thread; if I had 'ignored' Martin's posts I definitely wouldn't have learnt as much. It sometimes helps to have someone play Devil's advocate as it encourages well thought out counter arguments. Thanks to all who have participated thus far; it's been a fun ride.
Oh, much better to keep it all civil IMO - which I think has been the case for most of the time.
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I agree almost completely. Instead of "Martin", use "anybody". It makes it so much more true and just and all that is reasonable. If you only say "Martin" that would imply that scientificmuscle, just as an example, has been reasonable by comparison and has indeed learned something, anything. Yet we see his current posts still reflecting his old ideas (calories in calories out) and he's still as rude as he was. I'm not talking about him, I'm just making the point that I'm not the only person who is under any obligation to learn anything from the discussion.
Has anybody read Letter on Corpulence by William Banting? It's an enlightening read in my view. Especially when we note the date it was published. When is the first time the PCB hypothesis (calories in calories out) was thrown around? Was it before the Banting letter or after? And did the PCB hypothesis meet with full acceptance right away or was it harshly rejected and consistently refuted by the evidence at the time? And what was the factor, the turning point that made it so popular today?
When did we start going to the gym in great numbers? Were we growing fat before that period? When did we start eating low fat high carb? Did we grow fat before that? When did we first use the nutritional guidelines and what impact has it had on all the people that are fed according to these guidelines? Were we fat before that?
Did we adopt the gym, adopt low fat high carb and adopt the national dietary guidelines because we were growing fat? Or did we grow fat because we adopted the gym, adopted low fat high carb and adopted the national dietary guidelines?
Don't mind me. I'm just some guy on the internet.