Customizing HST

Discussion in 'General Training' started by proteus9, Jan 18, 2005.

  1. Clustering is effective if used for their purpose. Reduced peripheral fatique management, coupled with increased tension and maintenance of TUT.

    My point.

    Also from Br J Sports Med2002;36:370–374
    Also look at
    "Recent Advances in the Understanding of Skeletal Muscle Fatigue"

    and

    J Appl Physiol 96: 218–225, 2004.
    also

    From Annu. Rev. Physiol. 2004. 66:799–828
     
  2. Actarus

    Actarus New Member

    ok thanks DKM ! Interessant informations. I knew the study about 4x10 versus 40x1 and I personaly believe that heavy singles with long rest is probably the best way to go but after reading all thoses studies about fatigue I had some doubts about fatigue.

    "With the current activity-rest intervals within and between bouts, it was found that MVCs induced both peripheral (16.2%) and central fatigue (12.6%), with only peripheral fatigue being correlated to the decrease in plantar flexor strength."

    I don't understand that ? Peripheral fatigue = PNS fatigue or fibers fatigue ? What does it tell us about fatigue as a stimulus or not ? [​IMG]
     
  3. Peripheral fatigue is detrimental or at least doesn't enhance strength, as seen in that and other studies. Peripheral fatigue is the changes that occur in metabolites, ion flux and others. CNS fatique is the inability to fire up the motor units or at least a diminished ability. Chronic peripheral fatigue can lead to diminished CNS activity, or at least some say.

    All of this can relate to diminished loading ability or frequency.

    Clustering simply does the two things I mentioned earlier, or at least the way I define clustering.

    TUT or TTI and clustering, although needed TUT is diminished in heavier loads this doesn't mean it's not necessary it's just that the mechanotransduction events are more dependant on Peak Tension rather than TTI or the rate of tension. (See Bamman et al). So clustering provides for a constant in TUT but overall it is still the heavier loads that dictate.
     
  4. Vaymigade

    Vaymigade New Member

    I just finished a 6 week cycle using the "big four" cookie cutter routine in optimizing HST, i stopped without doing the post 5s because i have to start summer school but its worked incredibly well for me as i went from 160 (7ish percent fat) to 175 lb (at 8 percent bodyfat) over the 6 weeks and gained 2 lbs of fat (i also used creatine for the first time and im assuming a portion of my weight gain is because of cell voluminization).

    I used clustering to keep my volume at 20 reps per exercise during 10s and at 10 reps per exercise for the 5s and i also worked out 6 days a week and started metabolic work (15 rep burn sets) during the 5s along with running after my workouts. To optimize it further i added stretch point exercises for calves and deltoids (donkey calf raises and lateral raises). I used clustering for the stretch point exercises to reach desired rep totals. The volume of combining working out almost everyday and using clustering really killed me during the 5s...SD is heavenly.

    Id like to optimize my next cycle further by including loaded stretches, but i really dont understand what im required to do to increase the strain on the desired muscle groups. The guide detailed regular stretches and PNR but i thought this was to increase general connective tissue flexibility. While it detailed weighted stretches im confused as to how much weight to use and what to actually do as the guide is a little obstruse with this regard. While i got a good amount of DOMS by combining the stretch for abs (using about 35 lb weights) and doing nelson situps im still dont know how to deal with other muscle groups. I would appreciate any educated responses to my question.
     
  5. Vaymigade

    Vaymigade New Member

    ANYBODY?
     
  6. vicious

    vicious New Member

    With regards to the stretch reflex, there's roughly an inversely proportional relationship between amount of weight needed and amount of time needed. If you're using the same load as your training load (recommended), then you should sense the reflex kicking in about 15-30 seconds when you're using 10RM+ loads. Calves, which are mostly slow-twitch, are a notable exception.

    Really, this is more of a feel technique; how long you want to stretch is really up to you. Practically, anybody doing LS 3x-a-week or more won't want to hold too long for any given session. It's too painful, and overdoing extending the time will cause a further detraining effect of the reflex. The latter has applications toward flexibility training, but for our purposes, it's not desirable.

    cheers,
    Jules
     
  7. M@x

    [email protected] New Member

    Hi I want to show you my version of 912 hst.
    It is a tweak of the original, but i think it is very effectiv.
    Please do not mind my bad english, because i am an uneducated german.
    Modifications:
    1. At least one drop set for every muscle group
    Reasons:
    - lactic acid generation seems to burn additionel calories (s. Poliquin`s last t-nation articel and meltdown training by don allesi)
    -lacid acid seems to repair tendons.....(s. on Hsnhst
    :D )
    - vicious said so in the thread I told you about the existens of 912 Hst....
    You should not do them every day!
    2. Do HIIT while you do 912 hst
    a hiit unit every second day will burn additional calories  
    i recommend
    5min warmup
    4 200meter sprints (start every 60 sek)
    400meter slowly walking
    4 200meter sprints (start every 60 sek)
    walk home
    hot shower
    These sprints will also increase your performance in the squat ( based on a field study of a  german Pler) and your  genaral sport performance
    3. On hiit off days do light cardio
    It will also burn additional calories
    4. Do Rekom after your Cluster training
    15 min  containing of light cardio and dyniamic streching is a good way of active recovery after training
    5. Do additional exercises
    You need to work every bodypart or you will lose muscle in that bodypart, so add exercises for those bodyparts 10reps (clustered) will be enougth
    Example:
    Your bulk up routine looked like this:
    Bench
    Row
    Hack squat
    lateral Raise
    than Add these exercises:
    military press
    leg Curl
    Hyperextension
    Curls
    Narrow grip Benchpress/ Pushdowns
    calf raise
    situps
    schrugs
     
    7. You can  add negativ exercises and loaded streching
    example:
    Negative chins and negativ dips or do loaded streches just to produce more damage, which leads to more calorie burning
    but they are not necessary
    8. Stop immiditly if you feel in danger of injury!
    Just make a rest day if you feel any pain, if it does not stop than stop your cycle, go into sd! 912 hst can be very dangerous!
    9. drink a lot of cold water (this will burn add cal)
    10.Torture yourself
    Go into a big cal deficid for the 12 days
    11. take 1000mg vitamin c a day
    this will keep you resistent against illnesses
    12. sleep 8 until 10 houers a day
    I think this is necessary to recover your cns
    greetings from germany
    [email protected]
     
  8. zyko

    zyko New Member

    hey vicious,
    would you be so kind to include a reference to my original article on 912HST ( http://www.bodybuilding-und-fitness.de/viewarticle.php?id=5 ) in your ebook?

    maybe I can help you translating the 912 stuff or improving it content-wise with knowledge I gathered since the release of the article last year.
     
  9. Hey guys!
    Lots of great reading here, love it, just love it!!
    The questioin I would like to get to grips with, what would the ideal volume be for a; genetically average dude, no AAS, only using compund exercises with the maximum amount of frequency and or, 2x a day training overy other day? (if youre wondering, yes this genteically average dude probably is me [​IMG] )
    Thanks for the attention!
     
  10. morded

    morded New Member

    wow Jules! obviously there has been a lot of info since we last talked. I think I will leave all the overtweaking to others and then brain drain from the sight occaisionaly to see what come up since the last read. I still ,by the way, promote hst as the most effective program I have ever done while being natural. My only problem with continually trying to find ways to increase the load and volume and frequency is that after a while you end up doin something like arnold or the old 70's type routines. Never worked for me. There is obviously some 'crossover point' at wich diminishing returns are met. I beleive you touched on it in one of the earlier posts in this thread. (i GOT A HEADHACHE AND SKIPPED TO THE END). We will have to do some catching up one day Jules.

    Woody(a.k.a. morded)
     
  11. colby2152

    colby2152 New Member

    Max, Zyko, and anyone concerned with the 912 posts...

    How is light cardio good "recovery?"

    Is that referring to the 8 weeks (15s through negs) as a standard bulking cycle... and then you immediately dive into the 12 days of cluster training adding these exercises..

    Where you follow "912 principals" and do a heavy cut for the week and a half. The proposed effect of this would be to get rid of that fat gain that you had in the prior two months while bulking. I'm skeptical of how much of your lost weight during the 12 days will be fat. If you lost 4-5 lbs in that timeframe then some would have to be muscle??

    lecithin?

    That's enough questions for now. For some reason I missed the old updates on this thread.

    -Colby
     
  12. S_F_H

    S_F_H New Member

    wow... theres mucho to read here!! :p:p

    but curiously, here's my HST.. which is probably to the very basic of it.. 3x/week M-W-F all compound movement, except for bi and tri (2 iso)

    I read here that a muscle is fully regenerated after 48h.. but triaining 6x/week isnt gonna lead a bit to overtraning?
    if not.. i guess that this is "Optimizing" to get better results "faster"?? (summation effect??!)
    and is this 6x/week includes a full body each workout?

    thx!!
     
  13. smf

    smf New Member

    Thanks for taking the time to present all this info. Am I to understand from this that if I can structure my schedule to fit in #'s 3, 4, or 5, they are superior to performing #'s 1 or 2 (as listed by Jules?)

    Also, does this mean that mean that #'s 3, 4, or 5 are preferable even if I have to limit myself to 4-6 mostly compound exercises to cover my full body rather than the 10-12 exercises I could handle doing HST only 3X per week? I have enough training experience to be fairly certain that at this higher frequency my body would only tolerate a very limited number of exercises and only a few total sets per workout.

    Thanks for all the input and insights I've already discovered on this forum.
     
  14. M@x

    [email protected] New Member

    Light cardio is recovery, because metabolic waste products are carryed away throught the increased blood flow!
    Why do you think soccer players have to run slow laps around the field after a game!

    Befor you do the cutting you have to do 9 days SD , I expirimented with the direct change from bulking to cutting, but the results are much better with this approch 9days sd 12days cutting...

    The trick is that you do not lose muscle because of the short time frame! (the sd turns you into a beginner again = build muscle and loose fat at the same time if you eat normal and loosing a lot of fat if you go into a huge deficid.....

    forget about lecithin... I worked but 1-2 hours of sleep a day make this supplement unnecesary....

    any questions left
     
  15. colby2152

    colby2152 New Member

    I just don't understand how you can lose that much fat and not lose muscle. The only way for me to truely understand is to experiment with 912 myself.
     
  16. dkm1987

    dkm1987 New Member

    Since the file has been lost during the conversion, I took the version I helped Jules convert to pdf and posted in on my site. You can find it at

    www.hypertrophy-research.com/articles/HST_Pimp.pdf

    If anyone has a copy of the last release by Jules please email it to me and I'll upload it to my site for availability.
     
  17. capitolcitykid

    capitolcitykid New Member

    had anybody experimented with the towels and the grip width stuff? im about to start a new cycle and was wondering if anybody had any insight to offer
     

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