<div>
(scientific muscle @ Oct. 31 2007,18:46)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Morgoth, I think what he is trying to say is that faster bulking = more fat gain and that is a fact to certain degree.
An extreme example for illustrative purposes:
Trainee A gains 1 pound/week while training and gains 65% muscle/ 35% fat.
Trainee B eats like a hog and gains 4 pounds/week while training and gains 20% muscle/ 80% fat.
The numbers are just arbitrary of course, but the point is Trainee A bulks slowly and gains less fat in the process.
Slow bulking/ slow cutting are usually superior for partitioning reasons.</div>
I don't disagree with this...but I fail to see how this negates the need for cutting, no matter how you go about optimizing each calorie. Obviously there's a rate limiting factor involved in protein synthesis-you can only gain so much muscle, so obviously eating an arseload of calories would be quite counterproductive. Heck, even on AAS, it would be counterproductive.
Consider another aspect:under about 10% BF, your body's hormonal profile is suboptimal for gaining muscle due to about a zillion reasons that are irrelevant to the current discussion. It's safe to assume that one cuts to 6-7% in order to get proper abz, yes?So, at least some ammount of fat-gain is not only inevitable, but it's also desirable.
I guess what I'm trying to say is this:I'm not arguing against Colby's support for a
CONTROLLED bulk, that's pretty much a no-brainer. What I'm saying(and, sadly, reality seems to agree) is that no ammount of analism WRT eating-be it eating clean, draconic calorie counting whatever-will sidestep your body's natural propensity for adding fat in a positive calorie balance scenario. As well, there's actually little that can be adjusted WRT partitioning, most of it is genetically set in stone.
Finally, summing all of the above, one must also consider the suckiness of doing some lukewarm thing over long stretches of time:think minimal deficit dieting, minimal excedent bulking. Whilst for the dieting aspect there are few things that can be done, asides from not getting hugely fat in the first place, at least on the bulking side of things stuff can be made more fun by being somewhat more lax, whilst still keeping tabs on your BF.
The issue may stem that I associate slow-bulking with the notions propagated by Mentzer and some others like Shugart involving a very very reduced caloric excedent, whilst Colby may simply be talking about the same thing that I'm talking about, namely a controlled bulking cycle. In which case, I'd be quite silly really
![Big Grin :D :D](https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png)