Flexibility of Intermittent Fasting

Discussion in 'Diet & Nutrition' started by colby2152, Jan 23, 2008.

  1. bluejacket

    bluejacket New Member

    personally, i think too many folks equate "fasting" with starvation or close to it. even the study dan cited included a 40hr fast (with not much diff. seen from typical diet) where-as most workable day to day plans involve btw. 15-24hr fast.....pretty big time diff.

    there is a big differance between being truely hungry (including catabolism of muscle on a real level) and just "ready for supper". most of us have very little exper. with the former unless hard core dieting or third world living........
     
  2. Bulldog

    Bulldog Active Member

    This sounds pretty interesting to me. What is the best source to read about IF on the Internet? Lyle's site?
     
  3. colby2152

    colby2152 New Member

    Dan, you have been writing a book? I am definitely interested, but will most of us be able to read and understand it? [​IMG]
     
  4. Totentanz

    Totentanz Super Moderator Staff Member

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    (Bulldog @ Jan. 26 2008,15:12)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">This sounds pretty interesting to me. What is the best source to read about IF on the Internet? Lyle's site?</div>
    For now. Or you can check out Martin's site.

    Some day, someone is going to compile all the information into one spot.
     
  5. dkm1987

    dkm1987 New Member

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    (colby2152 @ Jan. 26 2008,17:10)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Dan, you have been writing a book?  I am definitely interested, but will most of us be able to read and understand it? [​IMG]</div>
    Without falling asleep? [​IMG]

    Honestly that's the problem I'm having, I am trying to not be so technical and lean more on the practical side but then again, like MS, the practical side can be summed up in one or two sentences.

    I have been researching starvation and fasting for years now and am about 80% complete with the book and hope to get it released this summer but then again I wanted it released last summer, then by the end of the year, then by the new year and so on. There is going to have to be a point of me saying screw it and go with what I have but there is really a lot involved and I don't want to miss critical aspects.

    Here is the rough for the table of contents.

    Chapter 1. History of Fasting
    a.The primordial ooze
    b.Paleo Man
    c.The Dark Ages
    d.Where’s the Beef
    e.You say Potato I say Patato

    Chapter 2.              Types of Fast
    a.Simply Starving
    b.The Morphologically Obsessed
    b.The religious zealot
    c.On strike
    d.In a vain attempt at vanity

    Chapter 3. Effects of Fasting
    a.Metabolic
    b.Immunologic
    c.Psychological

    Chapter 4.             Benefits of Fasting
    a.Weight Loss
    b.Fat Mass
    c.Partitioning Ratios

    5. Detriments of Fasting
    a.Weight Loss
    b.Lean Mass
    c.Partitioning Ratios
    d.Hormonal Changes

    Chapter 6.           Sustainability
    a.How long is too long
    b.Controlling hunger
    c.Cyclic Fasting
    d.Intermittent Fasting

    Chapter 7.        Exercise, the Impact on Fasting
    a.Running on Empty
    b.Lifting for the Masses
    c.Work is Work

    Chapter 8.                  Breaking the Fast
    a.When
    b.How
    c.Why
    d.Avoiding the Bounce

    Chapter 9. Designing the Plan
    a.Identify the goal
    b.Macros/Micros and other essentials
    c.How often can you eat
    d.How often should you eat
    e.Tools of the trade

    Chapter 10. Sample fasting Plans
    a.For the wedding
    b.For the Beach
    c.For Maintaining your girlish figure
     
  6. quadancer

    quadancer New Member

    How about a three page pamphlet in gymmanese? Like, just tell us what to do! [​IMG]
    You KNOW we pay attention when the DanMan speaketh!
     
  7. dkm1987

    dkm1987 New Member

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    (quadancer @ Jan. 26 2008,18:30)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">How about a three page pamphlet in gymmanese? Like, just tell us what to do!  [​IMG]</div>
    Nope not this time. Believe it or not I'm actually going to try and turn a buck this time.
     
  8. quadancer

    quadancer New Member

    Well you DID give us MS! You earned your donuts.
     
  9. Bulldog

    Bulldog Active Member

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    (Totentanz @ Jan. 26 2008,17:38)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
    (Bulldog @ Jan. 26 2008,15:12)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">This sounds pretty interesting to me.  What is the best source to read about IF on the Internet? Lyle's site?</div>
    For now.  Or you can check out Martin's site.

    Some day, someone is going to compile all the information into one spot.</div>
    Who is &quot;Martin&quot;? I don't know who you are referring to. And where would I find his site?
     
  10. bluejacket

    bluejacket New Member

    looks like a very interesting book dan.
    im curious to see how the plan ive put together to date (recomp and then bulk) compares to your more &quot;scientific' and better researched findings.

    any cooperation going on btw you and martin and/or lyle? i know those two, at one time, where planning a book together (about IF) but it appears they are perhaps going their own way with that.

    either way, im pretty excited your this far along in a book about the subject.
     
  11. Totentanz

    Totentanz Super Moderator Staff Member

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    (Bulldog @ Jan. 26 2008,19:12)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
    (Totentanz @ Jan. 26 2008,17:38)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
    (Bulldog @ Jan. 26 2008,15:12)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">This sounds pretty interesting to me. What is the best source to read about IF on the Internet? Lyle's site?</div>
    For now. Or you can check out Martin's site.

    Some day, someone is going to compile all the information into one spot.</div>
    Who is &quot;Martin&quot;? I don't know who you are referring to. And where would I find his site?</div>
    http://www.leangains.com/

    He's one of the biggest proponents of IF right now.

    There is actually an interesting link in his most recent posting, which leads to a roundtable discussion about BCAAs featuring several names that a lot of us will recognize.
     
  12. dkm1987

    dkm1987 New Member

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    (bluejacket @ Jan. 26 2008,19:17)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">any cooperation going on btw you and martin and/or lyle?</div>
    No, the only person I've ever cooperated/collaborated directly with is Bryan when we thought about revamping Thinkmuscle and Ron Sowers back in 2005 during &quot;The Basics&quot; articles. I've helped a few people Jaime Hale, Kelly Baggett and a couple more when they wrote their books.
     
  13. Bulldog

    Bulldog Active Member

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    (Totentanz @ Jan. 26 2008,19:18)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">http://www.leangains.com/

    He's one of the biggest proponents of IF right now.

    There is actually an interesting link in his most recent posting, which leads to a roundtable discussion about BCAAs featuring several names that a lot of us will recognize.</div>
    Thanks Tot!
     
  14. TunnelRat

    TunnelRat Active Member

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    (Dan Moore @ Jan. 26 2008,18:36)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
    (quadancer @ Jan. 26 2008,18:30)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">How about a three page pamphlet in gymmanese? Like, just tell us what to do! [​IMG]</div>
    Nope not this time. Believe it or not I'm actually going to try and turn a buck this time.</div>
    Fair enough, but please try to include an &quot;executive summary&quot; in three pages or less that will simply tell us (in small, single-syllable words) what to do...
     
  15. quadancer

    quadancer New Member

    What? Dan? Single syllables? Only when he's taking a hard poop! [​IMG]
     
  16. the_dark_master

    the_dark_master New Member

    Er, is it just me - or are we over complicating things a little? There's already a free ebook out on the &quot;fast5&quot; site (google it) that's worth a read.
    Or why not just skip breakfast &amp; lunch tomorrow: a 16 hour fast is much easier to &quot;do&quot; than think about doing...
     
  17. colby2152

    colby2152 New Member

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    (the_dark_master @ Jan. 27 2008,09:12)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Er, is it just me - or are we over complicating things a little? There's already a free ebook out on the &quot;fast5&quot; site (google it) that's worth a read.
    Or why not just skip breakfast &amp; lunch tomorrow: a 16 hour fast is much easier to &quot;do&quot; than think about doing...</div>
    That's not the point of getting a book. The knowledge is available free on the internet or at your local library. However, to have it laid out like Dan is doing is not only a valuable resource, but an interesting read as well!
     
  18. dkm1987

    dkm1987 New Member

    <div>
    (the_dark_master @ Jan. 27 2008,09:12)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Er, is it just me - or are we over complicating things a little? There's already a free ebook out on the &quot;fast5&quot; site (google it) that's worth a read.
    Or why not just skip breakfast &amp; lunch tomorrow: a 16 hour fast is much easier to &quot;do&quot; than think about doing...</div>
    Exactly which is why I said <div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">the practical side can be summed up in one or two sentences</div> in previous post.
     
  19. colby2152

    colby2152 New Member

    <div>
    (the_dark_master @ Jan. 27 2008,09:12)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Er, is it just me - or are we over complicating things a little? There's already a free ebook out on the &quot;fast5&quot; site (google it) that's worth a read.
    Or why not just skip breakfast &amp; lunch tomorrow: a 16 hour fast is much easier to &quot;do&quot; than think about doing...</div>
    I quickly read the Fast-5 E-book this morning, and it did not impress me. Like Dan said, the practicalities of intermittent fasting can be summed up rather quickly. My personal favorite can be found here at Lyle's forum. That answers the questions of what and when, but not why and how.
     
  20. Bryan Haycock

    Bryan Haycock Administrator Staff Member

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    (Dan Moore @ Jan. 26 2008,10:30)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"></div>
    <div></div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">...I'm saving that for my book (which has been in the process of writing now for 2 years, much akin to the HST Book) [​IMG] </div>

    HST book?! Is that thing still around? [​IMG]
     

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