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(lcars @ Jul. 13 2007,17:29)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(Morgoth the Dark Enemy @ Jul. 12 2007,15:31)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(lcars @ Jul. 12 2007,19:32)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE"><div>
(Morgoth the Dark Enemy @ Jul. 11 2007,13:53)</div><div id="QUOTEHEAD">QUOTE</div><div id="QUOTE">Just to add something:if someone equated what I said about LBM wastage with withering into nothingness, that was not what I meant. You can sit around and wank, and it`ll take a while(relatively) before you shrink significantly. What I meant was that the 15s as set-up by the basic routine are suboptimal for the more advanced lifter-there are better ways to handle in-between cycle breaks. Anyway, this is OT.</div>
imo and experience the 15's are in noway a stop gap or suboptimal method of training,as stated earlier gains can be made at high reps especially the different fibre types,which themsevles need varied rep ranges to be stimulated properly.
moreover,at the moment im using progressive load and high to low reps as part of a standard split.try doing 15 reps with 3 sets of 200kg deads and tell me they arent productive
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I think it`s wonderful that high reps work for you. I also think it`s not a great idea to extend personal experience to everyone, and state it as a general rule. It would be great to think what are the confounding factors that could lead to higher-reps being more productive for legs. Hint:form of execution. Happen to have any solid research that points to having to use different rep ranges for different fiber types?Because I sure as heck don't, and, if anything, one can't train according to fiber type/distribution in any significant extent.
But I really don't want to argue about this, because generally this is the point where ppl become uber-defensive and inches gained start to be flung around-it`s an argument that's both unnecessary and irrelevant. Everyone do as their heart desires, and have icecream in the process.</div>
first off,unless i become a parrot like many people on many boards quoting things theyve,heard which is unlikley,i have to rely on my experience as it is what "i know works for me".
secondly,i dont remember stating anything as a rule.
i dont use 15's often anymore except for certain exercises,i mean my calves wont develope at all from 5 reps i have to hit 10 minimum to even feel i worked them.
the fact is everyone has to put forward their experiences otherwise whats the point discussing anything?
i have to agree i dont want to argue with anyone either,but i wasnt the one who came into the thread with a bold comment and then later back tracked.</div>
Back-track on what?Do you want me to provide a bolded statement, so that you`re not confounded?Here it is:
15s are most often useless, IMO, and especially so in the context of submaximal working.I still think you'll be likely to waste some of the progress you achieved on a prior cycle by doing 2 weeks of submaximal 15-rep training after a 9-14 day layoff...umm...pardon, SD. I still think that a far better way to handle in-between cycles intervals is to do a deload phase, and then re-ramp up from about 80% of former RM for two weeks, then aiming to increase this. And as I explained, LBM wasting does not equate to becoming an Auschwitz victim, if you read is as such, sorry. For me, in this context, means setting up a situation in which you're more likely to spin your wheels instead of actually moving forward.
Metabolic work certainly has its place, but I'd rather have it as something added to base training, rather than the single form of training(for example, 2 workouts a day, one being the meat&potatoes 6-8 rep heavy growth aimed one, and the second being a 10-12(15 if it gives you the jeepers) metabolic oriented one. This works great in my experience(har har, I quoted my experience, now all of the above is immuable fact, coz anecdote sure as hell beats "parroting" research and stuff).
Legs work better with higher reps because higher reps equate with less weight, thus equating with good form. There, I laid it out for you. I know, I know, you already have perfect form...but maybe not(we've all been guilty of skimping on form, have we not?). Let's take calf training as an example:a lifter is likely to use a lot of elastic force in his calf training, thus giving his muscles almost no reason to grow. You'll accumulate force in your tendons and bounce with it(that's why even apparent wumps can use huge weights on calf raises-you can get a lot of elastic force and bounce a lot of weight). Start pausing on the low point of the movement(pausing on the high point is not as important)-stay for about 2-3 seconds there and then push again. Odds are it'll be a "tad" bit harder to push the weight up.
). The individual experience doesn't work all that great-example:if I were to tell you that in my experience 1 rep done once per week made me huge, what value would that hold?It would be my personal experience...and you'd think me a fool, because I've chosen an over-the-top example. But if I were to say something less over-the-top, what value would that hold?About the same, unless a considerable number of ppl have similar experiences/some proper research shows that my experience is generally applicable.
